Comments on: Forgotten Letters of the English Alphabet: Exploring the Lost Characters https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/ Words around the world. Tue, 14 Oct 2025 11:21:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: Richard Wideman https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-43213 Tue, 14 Oct 2025 11:21:25 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-43213 In reply to John Foley.

Thanks for the excellent input John!

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By: John Foley https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-43204 Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:20:21 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-43204 In reply to John Leyzorek.

The German letter that looks like an upper-case B is referred to as an ‘ess-zed’. It has been replaced among some German speakers by ss, especially in Switzerland. As the German name of the letter indicates, it was originally a combination of sz, not ss. Some older printed texts actually used sz, but this practise has fallen out of favour since World War II. Recent attempts by German authorities to retire the letter altogether generated considerable push-back, and may ultimately fail.

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By: Dan G. https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-42240 Mon, 04 Aug 2025 21:24:41 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-42240 As a logophile, I find words more than fascinating, and some of these now unused (in English) letters add to my appreciation for the words that once included them. As someone who has always struggled with spelling, I am so very, very happy that most of these letters have become obsolete (again, in English). One that I do wish was still around today though is the letter Ð/ð (Eth) for two reasons. One reason is because it would be simpler to use one character instead of two when writing or typing, especially in instances when character count limits are imposed. The second reason is because my second language is Italian, and traditionally there was no “th/ð” sound in Italian. (Ðink how much shorter ðis comment would be.) They had to add the “th” sound into that language fairly recently to accommodate all the new words that have entered the global lexicon in the digital age. (People who learned Italian as their primary language before computers became ubiquitous often substituted for it with an “f” sound when speaking a second language like English, so words like “Earth” and “thing” were pronounced as “Earf” and “fing.”)

I presume the letter Eth fell into disuse due to its visual similarities to the letter D (Ð/ð D/d) on the page. I presume its successor, the letter Thorn (Þ/þ) suffered the same fate for a similar reason since it is so visually similar to the letter P/p, just like the letter Wynn (Ƿ/ƿ). Above you mentioned confusion caused by such visual similarities to other letters as the reason, or at least part of the reason for a some of these letters to fall into disuse, notably Wynn (Ƿ/ƿ) compared to P/p, Yoghurt (Ȝ/ȝ) compared to the letter Z/z when written in cursive, and Long s (ſ) compared to the lowercase f, which all make perfect sense. You did not comment on such similarities to other written or printed letters as a contributing reason for why Eth & Thorn (or Eð & Þorn) however. I am curious to know if my presumptions about their falling to disuse for the same reasons are correct. Is it known why Eð & Þorn stopped being used, and if so am I correct as to why?

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By: John Leyzorek https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-42031 Tue, 15 Jul 2025 16:11:03 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-42031 Thanks for this informative work!
A possible correction to the commenter that showed a symbol that looks rather like a latin “B”, and identified it sa a German “sharp S”: I rather believe that the symbol is simply a double S, a ligature of the “long S” and the standard S. Precedent for different “s”s in different positions in the word goes back to the Greek, which used the σ form of sigma in the middle of a word, and ς at the end.

A question you may have inadvertently left open, regarding thorn and eth. It was my belief that thorn was the voiceless dental fricative, (as in “think”), and eth the voiced (as in “the”). This is supported by the similarity of the eth character to Latin upper-case D and to Greek lower-case delta, also voiced. This is controverted by the use of thorn to spell the definite article, which is voiced.
Another site states that thorn is voiced and eth voiceless. Your site describes them both as voiced. Seems a voiceless dental fricative is needed. What Þink you?

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By: Richard Wideman https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-41816 Wed, 18 Jun 2025 13:54:20 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-41816 In reply to Drive-by Commenter.

Hey drive by commenter (love the name btw) Ampersand is covered over in my other post: Typing Through Time: Tracing the Roots of Common Keyboard Symbols (https://calligrascape.com/keyboard-symbology/).

Yes, you are correct, long s is used in German still, but from an English perspective, it is “forgotten”.

Thank you for your comment

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By: Drive-by Commenter https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-41792 Sun, 15 Jun 2025 02:13:24 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-41792 You forgot & (and per se and), so it should be “ Ðis, ðat & ðe oðer” &c.

Long s still is used in German.

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By: Richard Wideman https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-41574 Sat, 17 May 2025 01:11:36 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-41574 In reply to þe good þ.

þats great! þanks for letting me know!

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By: þe good þ https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-41536 Mon, 12 May 2025 15:35:09 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-41536 i tried þe writing on my essay and my teacher gave me a A+

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By: Richard Wideman https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-37524 Wed, 04 Dec 2024 14:32:08 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-37524 In reply to Vell.

Hi Vell!

I am very glad you enjoyed this post. It seems to get more traction that I would think. I do in fact have a post about the common keyboard symbols (which includes ampersand) that for some reason I did not link to. Thank you for that, as I will now link to it here as well: https://calligrascape.com/keyboard-symbology/

If you are interested, there is a good comment listing a whole bunch of new letters that I will be looking into in the future. That could be a good place to start 🙂

Let me know if you find any information and I will add it to this post.

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By: Vell https://calligrascape.com/forgotten-letters-of-the-english-alphabet/#comment-37522 Wed, 04 Dec 2024 12:56:17 +0000 https://calligrascape.com/?p=7097#comment-37522 In reply to Richard Wideman.

Golly, you made my week! I love such comparative rarities. Roughly half a dozen were new and surprising.
In my Jitterbug 4 phone, a mixed blessing, I saw only a few “tofu” (See origin of the Noto fonts).

Right in my immediate neighborhood is a small plumbing company named for (quite likely) its founder. I see its panel trucks, showing “Æ Carter…” prominently, as the company name.
Alas, while (Ash) Carter was a national Cabinet secretary, I failed to publicize the close similarity.

I’ve found it difficult in past

decades to learn the same of “Œ”, and when I did, it was a modest surprise.

It would be a delight to read more about the the origins (if known, of the letter, as well as its name) of more of these.
Probably the origin of the contraction “ampersand” (which you alluded to) is best known. One such explanation said that it used to be the last letter (27th) of our alphabet.

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